30-second rule?

30-second rule? From “Podcasting for Dummies” in today’s Wall Street Journal (subscription required): “Mr. Jobs says Apple has an agreement from music companies that allows podcasters to play 30-second song clips in their shows.” I have not seen that before, but I’ll admit I haven’t really read the fine print. Thirty seconds could cover most opening tunes and bumper music.

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  • Kosso

    how about so-called ‘mashups’? where each sample might be much less than 30secs? With repetition?

  • Jake Savin

    It would seem to me that the same rules that apply to the kind of sampling of popular songs used in rap and R&B music would apply. I don’t recall off the top of my head, but I think the law says (or at least said at one point in time) that you can sample 10 seconds royalty-free, and repeat as you like. Of course that precedent may have been overturned by now.

    I’m not sure what the rules are regarding longer samples. It probably depends on the use (as in quoting passages from copyrighted written materials), or on some vague and subjective idea of whether the sample constitutes a significant part of the derivative work.

    It would be really killer if one of the law-bloggers with some IP and entertainment law experience would create a summary of the current laws, that we could all reference.

  • a z

    Sorry Jake. One can’t sample anything, even if it is unrecognizable without paying.

  • Frank Barnako

    Rex … 30-seconds has always been the length the music companies would allow music sellers like Amazon.com to excerpt for promotional purposes. MY question is … can I take 30 seconds and loop it to create a bed?

    Frank

  • Frank Barnako

    Rex … 30-seconds has always been the length the music companies would allow music sellers like Amazon.com to excerpt for promotional purposes. MY question is … can I take 30 seconds and loop it to create a bed?

    I know, let’s ask Denise Howell.

    Frank

  • Denise Howell

    Has anyone seen anything on Apple’s site about this? Until there’s something more concrecte I’d be reluctant to forge ahead and assume you’re on solid ground. Even then, I’d still be real cautious about what this is supposed to mean. Who is supposedly covered by this “deal?” Just podcasters in the Apple directory? All podcasters? What real assurance does anyone have they won’t get sued? What assurance does anyone have that even if as Jobs says there is some sort of detente, the labels won’t have a change of heart and reneg? I’m deferring enthusiasm about this for the time being, though it does sound promising.

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  • david

    >>MY question is … can I take 30 seconds and loop it to create a bed? very funny

  • Mond

    Thank you for the info!