Every breath you take: identity, attention, presence and reputation online

Panelists: Christian Crumlish, Ted Nadeau, Mary Hodder, Kaliya Hamlin, George Kelly

[Below are raw notes, not direct quotes. Sorry, no links.]

Crumlish: Shows a series of identity screen grabs that display identities one has online and when they may conflict or intersect with one-another, spying on oneself, seeing what Google ads appear on your blog, your search history.

Hamlin: With OpenID, we decided to let you use “one box” to register on any site. OpenID 2 is a little more complex but it is designed to do away with competition among all the services. OpenID, inames, LID, sxip now work together. You just put the login box and adjust user tables and you can accept people from everywhere. Already have an OpenID. Just Signin. A user’s “identifier” lives somewhere — and when you register somewhere, it refers back to the i-broker, OpenID Provider. It doesn’t do a lot, but allows for new things to be built on it. Where it is going: OPen Standards for identity. On top of that are reputation and verification management. We didn’t want to pack a lot into it at first — so we could get adoption.

Nadeau: Speaking on “reputation.” The small town we used to live in is now Internet scale. Your reputation is exposed to the earth. What is your reputation? There are non-monetary assets that are important. Some parts of my identity are asserted by me or by others. Your reputation is part of you identitry, it appears different to different viewers. You are not currently the primary authority on your reputation. You are the last person to ask. What is the reputation of reputation? Not a built out domain set yet. Show’d lots of places to seek reputation. Bottomline: Reputation 1.0 is not working. Lots of papers and research, but nobody is coding it yet. But what is reputation: General judgement of the public or individual toward an entity. You need to create a methodology for how people act in certain situations: reputation plays an important part in that. Some things have BIG reputations (order of magnitude): Corporations’ identities are worth lots of money. Lots of online systems w/ built in recognition systems: eBay, LInkedin (recommends), World of Warcraft, Amazon, Google Pagerank. Pre web: D&B. What would the perfect reputation system be like: “Data Stores & Key Spaces” — your own copy, that of others, shared/agreed. Problems? Reputation theft, reputation damage, loss, etc. reputation stuck, identitfy first, reputation later. You should be able to move identitfy. Not be stuck in a “caste.” Need to get identitfy figured out first — then figure out reputation. Where is your reputation

Hodder: Attention. Usability engineer. (Think as a user. You need to relate things to yourself first.) Root Markets (Seth Goldstein) and others started the attention trust. Looking for ways to make attention more concrete. Services (like Google, etc.) are collecting iniformation about you — collecting your “gestures”. What are they doing withi that information? Doesn’t seem consequentional but is incredibly consequentional. Gestures: A link on your blog is a gesture that says you believe what you are linking to is worth linking to. The Attention Trust assumes you also own a record of your information. Seth Goldstein and Steve Gillmore went around to the companies and got everyone to aggree that users own a copy of their “attention strand” — Also built a recorder where a user can record their attention strand. It’s important for companies to keep that private. But if an individual collects that information about themselves, you can choose to use it in certain ways. The concept of “social norms” is important because … If the only entities who have that atttention pool are big corporations, then individual behavior can be demonized (if not seen in the context that such behavior is very normal). We should be able to share our information anonymously in a pooled way so that there is a record of what is “normal.”

Kelly: Shows kevan.org — nohari?view=allaboutgeorge (I hope you can try this out, it’s pretty spooky or good, depending on your point-of-view) There are implications for putting information out there. Spoke on the importance of “persistence of identity.”

Where to continue the conversation on this?

Internet Identity Workshop (May 14-16).

AttentionTrust.org lists events.

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