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		<title>By: Some Guy with an opinion</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298517</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Guy with an opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pink Pig: Hmmm. @Victor Agreda Jr&#039;s macro analysis aside, even in discussing the stock market, you have made a leap of major proportions - namely, building a case regarding corporations and the stock market that presumes companies&#039; equity is only in their own stock! The reality is that very large corporations who have &quot;cash reserves&quot; are heavily invested in equity markets as well - meaning that they care very much about that &quot;secondary trading.&quot; And I&#039;ve never seen a CFO yet who wasn&#039;t vitally concerned with the stock price, because market cap affects that intangible emotion which drives even the most technical of investors at times. 

And I&#039;m really shocked at the black-and-white notion that executives are at war with shareholders... this is simply not at all the behavior I see in the brass at the Fortune 150 corporation where I work. In fact it&#039;s just the opposite: they give employees stock purchase plans and options to make us want to build the company&#039;s value (and thus their own finances). Maybe that thinly disguised class warfare stuff is what gets taught in some B-schools these days, but it doesn&#039;t jibe with practical observation over many years in the trenches.

The notion of share dilution is technically correct and utterly irrelevant. Paper valuations go up and down without regard to the relatively small number of shares (what some call obscenity I call free market assessment of value) issued to executives (unless there is such a massive selloff by an executive that the market is spooked - something most executives would avoid religiously).

None of which is to say you&#039;re wrong about your assessment of the difference between crashing equity markets and crashing economy. (Personally, I&#039;m hard at work trying to make sure the two aren&#039;t the same, by trying to sell as much product as I can.) This may surprise you, but even those of us who didn&#039;t get an MBA really do understand that the stock market and the economy aren&#039;t the same thing. But in this era of IRAs and 401Ks as our savings vehicles, many of us tend to equate the markets in which we&#039;re invested with the economy... because as Rex said, we see those vehicles dwindle in size and that corresponds to the questions of where, or whether, our children will go to college; when, or if, we&#039;re going to retire; and what, if any, we&#039;re going to own when we get there. Macroeconomics goes right out the window when it&#039;s my stuff we&#039;re talking about; I agree with Rex that citizenship is all about deciding that safeguarding &quot;my stuff,&quot; while still &quot;my stuff&quot; (i.e., no socialism here!), is not as vital as investing &quot;my stuff&quot; in the nation&#039;s success - and that&#039;s true in humanitarianism, public service (including military service), or, in this case, equity.

But I&#039;m no economist, so I probably shouldn&#039;t have bothered to respond either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pink Pig: Hmmm. @Victor Agreda Jr&#8217;s macro analysis aside, even in discussing the stock market, you have made a leap of major proportions &#8211; namely, building a case regarding corporations and the stock market that presumes companies&#8217; equity is only in their own stock! The reality is that very large corporations who have &#8220;cash reserves&#8221; are heavily invested in equity markets as well &#8211; meaning that they care very much about that &#8220;secondary trading.&#8221; And I&#8217;ve never seen a CFO yet who wasn&#8217;t vitally concerned with the stock price, because market cap affects that intangible emotion which drives even the most technical of investors at times. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m really shocked at the black-and-white notion that executives are at war with shareholders&#8230; this is simply not at all the behavior I see in the brass at the Fortune 150 corporation where I work. In fact it&#8217;s just the opposite: they give employees stock purchase plans and options to make us want to build the company&#8217;s value (and thus their own finances). Maybe that thinly disguised class warfare stuff is what gets taught in some B-schools these days, but it doesn&#8217;t jibe with practical observation over many years in the trenches.</p>
<p>The notion of share dilution is technically correct and utterly irrelevant. Paper valuations go up and down without regard to the relatively small number of shares (what some call obscenity I call free market assessment of value) issued to executives (unless there is such a massive selloff by an executive that the market is spooked &#8211; something most executives would avoid religiously).</p>
<p>None of which is to say you&#8217;re wrong about your assessment of the difference between crashing equity markets and crashing economy. (Personally, I&#8217;m hard at work trying to make sure the two aren&#8217;t the same, by trying to sell as much product as I can.) This may surprise you, but even those of us who didn&#8217;t get an MBA really do understand that the stock market and the economy aren&#8217;t the same thing. But in this era of IRAs and 401Ks as our savings vehicles, many of us tend to equate the markets in which we&#8217;re invested with the economy&#8230; because as Rex said, we see those vehicles dwindle in size and that corresponds to the questions of where, or whether, our children will go to college; when, or if, we&#8217;re going to retire; and what, if any, we&#8217;re going to own when we get there. Macroeconomics goes right out the window when it&#8217;s my stuff we&#8217;re talking about; I agree with Rex that citizenship is all about deciding that safeguarding &#8220;my stuff,&#8221; while still &#8220;my stuff&#8221; (i.e., no socialism here!), is not as vital as investing &#8220;my stuff&#8221; in the nation&#8217;s success &#8211; and that&#8217;s true in humanitarianism, public service (including military service), or, in this case, equity.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m no economist, so I probably shouldn&#8217;t have bothered to respond either.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Agreda Jr</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298353</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Agreda Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pink Pig, OK, let&#039;s take the stocks portion off the table. Have you been paying attention to money markets or stable funds? Have you been tracking the dollar the past few years? Are you asserting that just because the markets have crashed before and we&#039;ve lived it up afterward that there&#039;s NOTHING really going on right now? That is beyond absurd, and a logical fallacy. I could go on, but I&#039;ll leave it there. Enjoy weathering the storm in your bunker.

Rex, this is indeed what someone should have said. Unfortunately there&#039;s a significant portion of the voting public who would have seen such comments as weak or pandering, I think. Politics are more about the party now, and &quot;crushing the competition&quot; has become the mantra of divisiveness plaguing our country. Until WE as a populace understand that disagreements are healthy, natural and acceptable (in fact, they are what helped make our country strong) and quit demonizing the &quot;other guy&quot; we&#039;re never going to see the kind of solidarity needed to rise above this mess.

Instead, you&#039;ll see more political quagmire, bickering, inaction and pathetic excuses like &quot;we&#039;ll be fine, the markets are only secondary indicators.&quot; Yeesh, what a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pink Pig, OK, let&#8217;s take the stocks portion off the table. Have you been paying attention to money markets or stable funds? Have you been tracking the dollar the past few years? Are you asserting that just because the markets have crashed before and we&#8217;ve lived it up afterward that there&#8217;s NOTHING really going on right now? That is beyond absurd, and a logical fallacy. I could go on, but I&#8217;ll leave it there. Enjoy weathering the storm in your bunker.</p>
<p>Rex, this is indeed what someone should have said. Unfortunately there&#8217;s a significant portion of the voting public who would have seen such comments as weak or pandering, I think. Politics are more about the party now, and &#8220;crushing the competition&#8221; has become the mantra of divisiveness plaguing our country. Until WE as a populace understand that disagreements are healthy, natural and acceptable (in fact, they are what helped make our country strong) and quit demonizing the &#8220;other guy&#8221; we&#8217;re never going to see the kind of solidarity needed to rise above this mess.</p>
<p>Instead, you&#8217;ll see more political quagmire, bickering, inaction and pathetic excuses like &#8220;we&#8217;ll be fine, the markets are only secondary indicators.&#8221; Yeesh, what a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Pink Pig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pink Pig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably shouldn&#039;t bother responding, but sometimes I can&#039;t hold back. 

You have no clue about what you are asserting, and you should study a few things before you mouth off. Primarily, the Dow-Jones doesn&#039;t even represent the stock market, much less the economy. It is simply idiotic to claim that if the financial markets tank, that is the same as the economy tanking. The markets have tanked many times prior, without any noticeable effect on the economy. 

The first thing you need to learn is that trading on the stock market is secondary trading -- the companies who originally issued the stock have little interest (apart from the obscene options offered to their executives) in the current market price, because they got all the money that they will ever get when they issued the stock in the first place. The second thing you need to learn is that the management of companies (executives) is constantly at war with the stockholders, because whatever the stockholders get detracts from what the management will get. Might you see a pattern in all this? The third thing you need to learn is that when an executive exercises a stock option, all the original shareholders are diluted.

I could go on, but I&#039;ll leave it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably shouldn&#8217;t bother responding, but sometimes I can&#8217;t hold back. </p>
<p>You have no clue about what you are asserting, and you should study a few things before you mouth off. Primarily, the Dow-Jones doesn&#8217;t even represent the stock market, much less the economy. It is simply idiotic to claim that if the financial markets tank, that is the same as the economy tanking. The markets have tanked many times prior, without any noticeable effect on the economy. </p>
<p>The first thing you need to learn is that trading on the stock market is secondary trading &#8212; the companies who originally issued the stock have little interest (apart from the obscene options offered to their executives) in the current market price, because they got all the money that they will ever get when they issued the stock in the first place. The second thing you need to learn is that the management of companies (executives) is constantly at war with the stockholders, because whatever the stockholders get detracts from what the management will get. Might you see a pattern in all this? The third thing you need to learn is that when an executive exercises a stock option, all the original shareholders are diluted.</p>
<p>I could go on, but I&#8217;ll leave it there.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you know why senators rarely get elected president. The only active, refreshing mind in the race? The only non-senator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you know why senators rarely get elected president. The only active, refreshing mind in the race? The only non-senator.</p>
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		<title>By: ken magalnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken magalnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A small quibble, with the very end. A panic is an example of a positive feedback loop, just like a bubble. A positive feedback loop, is any system in which a change cause the system to swing further in the same direction. For example, when stock prices rise further just because they are rising now, or when prices start to drop further because they have dropped some. Systems based on a positive feedback loop tend to oscillate, and that is exactly what our economy does. Look at a GDP curve for any time frame, and you will see the see saws of oscillation.
A negative feedback loop is a system in which a change causes the system to swing in the opposite direction. Thus the most sought after stocks would be the ones that perform the worst, and the most sold ones would be the ones that perform the best. Economically, it is fairly silly, but it is the principle that we all use to keep a car going in a straight line. 
Otherwise, great inspirational speech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small quibble, with the very end. A panic is an example of a positive feedback loop, just like a bubble. A positive feedback loop, is any system in which a change cause the system to swing further in the same direction. For example, when stock prices rise further just because they are rising now, or when prices start to drop further because they have dropped some. Systems based on a positive feedback loop tend to oscillate, and that is exactly what our economy does. Look at a GDP curve for any time frame, and you will see the see saws of oscillation.<br />
A negative feedback loop is a system in which a change causes the system to swing in the opposite direction. Thus the most sought after stocks would be the ones that perform the worst, and the most sold ones would be the ones that perform the best. Economically, it is fairly silly, but it is the principle that we all use to keep a car going in a straight line.<br />
Otherwise, great inspirational speech</p>
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		<title>By: SGT Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298309</link>
		<dc:creator>SGT Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was what I could not put my finger on listening to the debates last night. I am SOO tired of focus group parrots. They&#039;ve even taken over the straight talk express. McCain needs to take a lesson from Ms Palin and speak from the heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was what I could not put my finger on listening to the debates last night. I am SOO tired of focus group parrots. They&#8217;ve even taken over the straight talk express. McCain needs to take a lesson from Ms Palin and speak from the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: W</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298289</link>
		<dc:creator>W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m totally writing you in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally writing you in.</p>
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		<title>By: Hudge</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298285</link>
		<dc:creator>Hudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ghost of Andy Shepherd and Jed Bartlet hath spaken. I wondered if I was the only one bored and disappointed with the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ghost of Andy Shepherd and Jed Bartlet hath spaken. I wondered if I was the only one bored and disappointed with the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: CeeElCee</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298282</link>
		<dc:creator>CeeElCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex, are you available for the cabinet position that Bredesen denies he&#039;s gunning for but that will never be offered to him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex, are you available for the cabinet position that Bredesen denies he&#8217;s gunning for but that will never be offered to him?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Creekmore</title>
		<link>http://www.RexBlog.com/2008/10/08/18368/comment-page-1#comment-298281</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Creekmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that would have been awesome. NOW I&#039;m depressed that no one said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that would have been awesome. NOW I&#8217;m depressed that no one said that.</p>
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